Claudio Eulau Living at the 45º in N.Y.

Broudy:  Hi and welcome to another edition of Living at the 45 with me, your host Jack brody Today. I'm with a good friend of mine for many years now over a decade, Claudio Ealau I think I pronounced that right. He's the head pro in Long Island at the point set indoor racquet club and head pro at the Rockaway Hunting Club during the summertime. And he just like me and and all the guys and girls that women that I work with, we love what we do. Um, Claudio is originally from Argentina And he moved to New York back in 2004 and just a great coach and a great guy. I've known him for like I said over a decade and you know, we met because he was like myself, he was always looking for ways to help people, you know, transform their tennis game be a much better tennis player. So he's a real seeker, a real seeker. And I think we met through the eight board, which is now called the brody board. And um, and we've been friends ever since. So Claudio, welcome, thank you for joining me today.

Claudio:  Thank you for having me, jack. And what you say is that it's really true. Like we met like 10, 12 years ago. And uh yeah, I remember the day that you told me like this device, you will have it like using all day long and I will have like that device in my racket bag all day and that's so true.

Broudy:  Well, you know when I went to visit you, I did have the opportunity to visit Claudio once or twice when I'm back in new york and which was a lot of fun. I think we had lunch and everything. It was great and I went to the club and I couldn't believe someone had more training tools than I did. I mean uh you know, he had rackets with two handles which I had seen before but never used, he had all kinds of gadgets and and and products that I was fascinated by. And I was just, I was so impressed that that he he was such a seeker, you know, always trying to help his clients, his students, adults and kids and I just couldn't get over how many training tools he had. Uh and and like I said, it was a real, it was an eye opener for me because there were a lot of things I had never seen before.

Claudio:  It is, it is, I'm looking forward I what you said is true. I'm a seeker. I try definitely to find ways to help people. Uh the device is is something that I helps. But you know, you play, you try to help people, people have different personalities, you are trying to help them first, you're listening to them, then you're looking for what they what they're looking for. And uh and then try to help them the way that uh the best way and then you try to find something to help them, Okay. Could be a device could not but I think that in the process when you start to find um that connection with the people they start to trust you, they start to understand that what you want is is helping them, you care about them, then they opened up to our and this can help me yes, this can help you and they start to discover something like they discover another way to help themselves and your voice starts to be like you know strong, strong enough. And um I find that it's very important to listen to them, it's very important to deliver what they want and and again all tools are very helpful for us as a tennis teaching pros are very helpful, helpful but you have to listen first what they are looking for. Yes.

Broudy:  Some people I guess they can learn better by telling them or showing them and others need to feel it and that's where those tools come in, they can feel like when they're on the board swiveling around or they're on the on the ramp right? They can feel the elevation of the ramp and how you rise with that right hip into the stroke and you rise with the arm into the stroke. Um and like I said you had some other devices where they could, they could understand and find the sweet spot. I'm trying to remember exactly what they were but you had some great great tools for

Claudio:  that. I'm working with definitely your tools a lot. I worked with double handed racket a lot

Broudy:  now tell me a little bit about that before we move on because a lot of people don't know about the double handed racket. I saw it being used by a very good player, I think he

Claudio:  invented it

Broudy:  and he was a very good player and and I really was fascinated by by having both hands on the racket but but not together, right, not together, but

Claudio:  like a

Broudy:  U shaped handle handle.

Claudio:  I think that one once you um first of all I I you can use it in very different ways. They will not, they will teach you a little bit the movement but the idea first of all is uh to tide a little bit of coil to understand not separating your arms, to start to find a contact point through first the movement from your feet because you cannot separate your hands. Like if you start with that you cannot separate if I put my hands here and there are the handles, I cannot separate. And that that's a very a very good understanding that starts on your feet, okay and not on your arms. And that's a first concept that many people, they don't, they do not understand, they think that a rocket bag is more power because they are looking for that and its first move. Okay and the first move, what is the first move And and try to find ah that the fluid in the movement with less upper body. Okay. And a little bit better understanding of your lower body. And once you once you understand that that is the first thing that I I do. That is a symmetry between right and left with the two hands plus changing grips because you have to change a little bit of grips In the two handed rocket. Um Then uh the the interesting part is how you use your non dominant hand. Okay. And and that's that's a very Mhm. A very to me it's very important concept. The non dominant side.

Broudy:  Yeah, me too. People think sometimes because you're a tennis player, you're a one sided athlete but that's not the best tennis players, the best tennis players are conscious of both sides of their body

Claudio:  right? And then then you start to do some exercises uh that that the double handled rocket allows you to do to open up their minds to understand a continent, a great different different contact points, different ways to touch the ball like in the outside behind. Like and and it's easy to do it. Then you have to try to translate that to ah to the rocket that that's not so easy to do. First you have to like, you know start to open up that mind first because they're coming with a lot of things in their mind that I don't know. I find in my experience that they're coming with 20 years. I took lessons like that and they come up with some things in their brain.

Broudy:  They're coming with tennis baggage.

Claudio:  Right. Right. Exactly. You can define better than me that but I find that then they start to discover a completely different 10 is understanding and that's that's in my experience. The key to open up to show another another. Put it this way worm. Mm hmm. Communication and discovery. And and the people normally they react very good, very good. Again the listening, what they want is key before you start to do all these things. Yeah.

Broudy:  And when you say listen, do you mean like like certain club players, let's say if all they want to do is is be more consistent. Then you, you basically, I guess you just focus more on the 45° angle and make sure that they make good contact at the 45 or if they're a junior and they want to hit a bigger ball then maybe you work with their hips

Claudio:  more uh

Broudy:  the coil tightening the coil. Is that what you mean? When you say, well that's that's

Claudio:  a little bit into already the what they want because consistency. Put Some people uh you know when you say listening, uh you have to understand a little bit jack where they're coming from, I want to do a little bit cardio. Tennis, hidden ball be consistent in 20 balls. They are coming at night. They are coming from a day, like tough day and then it's like, okay, what do you want to do? Well today we hit, we have a rough day, okay, can we hit like 100 balls consistently? Like I want, you know, like clear my mind, that's fine. And some other players that they are like, I want to be consistent in serving and the first bowl, you know, but that's how you start to, you know, build up, you can offer different consistencies like in a player and a competitive mindset or in a a little bit more less competitive, like a person that comes only once a week or twice the most. That's the exercise of the week. Okay. Like it's a, I don't know how to explain, but you have to first understand who is coming to you.

Broudy:  So sometimes they come to you just for a good hit because you're a good hitter, I've told with you. Yes, I know you're a good hitter. Uh and yeah, no, I find that too it's an expensive hit for them.

Claudio:  But

Broudy:  when they could utilize your brain more, you know, and your knowledge,

Claudio:  that's the reason that I I say first you have to listen what they want, okay, that means that I find that when you deliver they go happy and they come happy back again because you find that connection with them first and then um, when, when you Everything like the 45° angle the board uh like those things are really very important okay then um you can if that person is like oh wow today uh basically they allowed me to do it okay and then they find that that oh I'm hitting so much, what can we do this like 10 15 minutes more next time when we start and then I have like 2030 minutes like wow that's where I want to hit like more okay and they start to and then I'm going more in like they allowed me more and more and they understand what I mean with all these devices and try to help them and they start to change their minds from hitting to want to play to want to get better too, it's a little bit reversed. Probably reverse psychology.

Broudy:  I was gonna say you're more like a psychologist out there where you start with the premise the customer is always right but then you find your way to tu tu trance to transform them subtly sneakily almost sneaking in it.

Claudio:  Yeah I'm saying like you know I If you are already in ah like I have people like four again, I'm in America 18 years and I have people 17 years taking lessons with me like and you know like I said like why are you coming back like I asked him like

Broudy:  sure I

Claudio:  enjoy so much, I'm enjoying so much to come like saturday or sunday or friday like and this is my, our, this is like you, you always find a way to, you know, put this in that and, and it's not boring, okay, I'm coming here and it's open. It's like, it's, it's, it's a box of surprises. Like tomorrow you come with this with that, they can say I like it or not, but they, they, they, You know, and, and I'm listening for 17 years, what is going on? Like, uh, and, and that's, in my opinion, is very important because I build a relationship too.

Broudy:  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, look, you're a good guy, so they want to see you, but also, you know, your stuff, it's very hard to go to another tennis pro when all they say is move your feet or, you know, you gotta hit more balls, but when

Claudio:  you, when you

Broudy:  have more intellect, because I know you, how you teach and you have more intellect, they're not going to want to go somewhere else because there it would be a step down, so to speak,

Claudio:  right? And, and, and, and that's a little bit when I find that it depends what you want from your work or career. And I think that I find that I'm doing something right? Okay, because I connect with with people. And uh, and sometimes I said I'm going to, what, okay, do you want to take a lesson that no, no, no, I went for you, okay, fine. And, and some people that say yes. And they have the experience with another person or whatever. And they say like, okay. You know what? Next time I work for you. Okay. And that surprised me. Mm hmm. That surprised me because, um, you know, you do something like that. I feel like, hey, I don't know. I worked with Tony David and it's like, can you, can you cover me? And and they and they do it sometimes. Okay. But other people, they lose a customer and not,

Broudy:  right. Well, I think people can tell that that you are really obsessed. Clearly obsessed with what you do. And I think that I'm not

Claudio:  a little bit that

Broudy:  and not all the time and not all the tennis pros are, I mean guys like you and I mean we something, we spend more money on our tennis teaching than some than some

Claudio:  pros. Because I'm in trouble with that.

Broudy:  Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. No, I know. And me too. And look, we could go on and on about that. But

Claudio:  and you want to, you know what I mean? I'm in trouble with that. I

Broudy:  know what you mean.

Claudio:  Sometimes I feel like I go again. Okay.

Broudy:  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, me too. I mean, even on this project I'm doing now, I'm just, you know, you can spend a lot of money if you don't watch it.

Claudio:  Right. Right. And, and that's what a little bit separates. Probably somebody that is passionate and uh yeah I got the money, I got the money issues and all that stuff, but I like what I do. Okay and I hear you that I I um when we met when you came to new york and I had a great time and and you saw a little bit what I do and uh and I was open to to share with you. I'm not I'm not I'm not hiding anything.

Broudy:  Oh no, I was open to learn. That's why I wanted to talk to you on this podcast because I wanted others to hear like I said you have some tools I had never seen before and by the way, if anyone's in the new york area, Claudio is definitely the man to see, I mean he can he can definitely transform

Claudio:  your view. Thank you so much.

Broudy:  Well it's true. Um now let's talk a little bit I guess less about the tools, you know, like I said earlier you're kind of a psychologist so you

Claudio:  you

Broudy:  transform people's minds by transforming their game or vice versa. Maybe you transform their game by first transforming their mind. How do you feel like like you say you listen to them and then how do you decide which way you're going to go as far as how you're gonna make this transformation so they enjoy their time on the court and maybe even off the court a little more.

Claudio:  Yeah, I'm saying like um I tell you a little bit what what um I will separate this into, I work with with a psychologist to okay that that I'm I'm having like a for almost like 15 years I'm working and I I take some some things from uh from her and that really helped me a lot too developed like communication that means that I try to, I will divide these two things you know you you work with people and people, they come a little bit like um like uh like somebody young competitive like a player, okay you have to talk certain ways when you come it comes an adult and then it's a competitive adult or is a social adult or you have to talked differently and absolutely and and you have different, you have different goals to to meet and then you can, you can talk to the head, you can talk to the heart, you can talk to the emotions and and you can talk to the whole person like pointing different different things and the important part is like I think that when you talk like that, I think that you start to connect and then you narrow exactly what they want and you can deliver that and that I think that is so important, we're talking to everyone is talking tense but if I talk like I put myself and I still like No the 14 has to be open stance, semi open stance of this or close stance and that that and and and and sometimes they are looking at me and so like and and I said sometimes tell you shut up like boom, like that's not what they want to listen. So what they don't want to listen that they want to have a conversation, they want to understand, they want to interact. Okay, yes, technique is important, I'm not saying no, it is important, but more open, there are more than listen to you and they will try.

Broudy:  Yeah, yeah, and the thing is guys like us, I mean I know you're you're the same as me, we both know that there's even for the great players, there's more than one stance, you know, it's more about lining up your your your hips and your mind to the contact than it is about stepping with certain

Claudio:  foot,

Broudy:  it can be very creative out there, you can step with with open stance, semi open closed, depending on the ball, you can even change your grip, right? I mean we know,

Claudio:  yeah, I'm saying like all that stuff is good, I'm not saying that it's not but for somebody do that and you're talking to them and you're you're putting yourself like I'm your culture or whatever, like I'm trying to help you, trying to guide you. I'm I tried to uh I try to find the spots that you are open to listen and I will try to help you in that because the other are closed like if they are not like right now there are not and then you have to figure out that and you have to be good. I think that you have to be good in that to succeed in this. Okay. Whatever I know you know uh 45° angle. Very the concept is it's spectacular. But if somebody comes and you um why you're coming? Well I need help help for what? Mhm. Hit the ball over the net. Okay they can do this like yeah this and they hit over the net. You're doing it now. They why are you coming to me? What do you want? What do you want to listen from me? What do you how can I help you better? Well I want to develop like okay and then they start like okay narrowing, narrowing,

Broudy:  narrowing,

Claudio:  narrowing.

Broudy:  So when you then you say

Claudio:  like oh I have the right the right thing for you.

Broudy:  So when you say you work with a psychologist that means you personally you've talked to a psychologist and she helps you with other people or how to understand or does she actually come on the court with you ever and work and work with your players.

Claudio:  That I would I would say that no sometimes really sometimes like like tennis players in a in a in a very high level Okay like I'm not working as much right now with that. But when we were working. yes I I will I was involve her and that to have a different listening to understand or share the understanding of things.

Broudy:  But mostly you've learned from her mostly.

Claudio:  Yes and and for a private lesson social I don't think that there's a need. I

Broudy:  agree. Yeah.

Claudio:  Already we are very good listeners in general. Okay. Try to be well I'm saying like yeah, but when when we're talking about like levels like high levels, I was coaching ah like kids like they were like 800 in the world and they need help and they I wasn't involved her involved her in that to understand what they tried to say or how they say it or what is the 2nd line that I couldn't breathe that she could.

Broudy:  Huh?

Claudio:  Because sometimes they there are ways to say something but they don't mean that they mean something else or they have a second line to to understand and then you have to be finding that

Broudy:  so she hears beyond the words

Claudio:  I'm saying like they have a different way to listen. Mhm. And they have a difference to listen and to understand that means that that gives you a little bit different perspective what I understand what you understand for the same thing. Okay. Like that's that's in my opinion, very important.

Broudy:  I'm curious is this this psychologist, is she a tennis player as well or? No.

Claudio:  Now she plays tennis in a very low level socially. Okay. But she is very experienced in sports. Okay. Very very experiencing sports and and she really did a lot has a lot of experience with teams with individuals like high performance. And I trust

Broudy:  her she in the new york area I guess she is if you want I mean it's up to you if you want to mention her name, maybe people can seek her out if they're in the area.

Claudio:  I have to ask her if she wants

Broudy:  to. I understand. Well you know what maybe when you have your

Claudio:  profile on

Broudy:  our site you can you can put you ask her and then you can put it on there and and maybe people will want to see her parents might want to send their kids to her Because it sounds like she could help. I never worked that much a little bit. I've worked with psychologists but not that not not not not for the last 15 years or so. You

Claudio:  know, again it's more important I think with the high level performances when you start to deal with traveling, when you start to deal with competition in a high level like injuries uh things that you can recover and I think that that's more important. Okay I think that's more important like a mindset uh understand like connect with somebody else that they can talk in a different way like with you that you are already involved. Huh?

Broudy:  Yeah. No I like I said I've I've been curious about that and like I did use a psychologist maybe 20 years ago when I was working with Sam and Steve and those guys, but you do learn more listening to them maybe even than your students do because I did as well um

Claudio:  Yeah. Yeah, but it's giving you a chance to, it's giving you a chance to open up more more doors that you did not um think about. Mhm. Okay. Because you have a you have a you have a like a ah a pre thought about what the player just did this, this or that or he's feeling this, this and that and you put sometimes you put your own things involved and that's not the right thing to do,

Broudy:  right? Right, right.

Claudio:  Or your answer from yourself or yourself experience and it's not it's not looking for listen to yourself experience, it's looking for another thing,

Broudy:  right?

Claudio:  You know, and and that's when you I say, okay, this is enough for me, I need

Broudy:  to

Claudio:  I'm the coach, but I say I'm a coach on the court with doing the job and somebody else has to step into help in another way.

Broudy:  So do you find that that you talk to your students more in a in a large sense or do you feel like you do more, you know, nitty gritty, you really get to work and you use the tools and you start and and the psychology comes up subtly does

Claudio:  I do really both okay from not talking at all and playing okay too have like a a mix of things okay. And uh and start everything starts when they're coming into the court and start to talk and if they don't talk you can ask, hey, how how was your day?

Broudy:  Yeah,

Claudio:  simple. Like how was your day?

Broudy:  Yeah.

Claudio:  Okay. And and that, how was your day? Is like some people have said do you care? Yeah.

Broudy:  Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. Yeah. It's funny. I've had a couple of students that they're very good players, natural and I mostly play with them and then in the hour I will sneak in one or two things only and let them agree with me and not like you know, keep your left hand involved on the forehand. You know you're opening up or you're letting it drop and they just nod and then other people really want to sit down and put me on the board I want to learn. So it's very different who you work

Claudio:  and then those those two people, one is looking for listen to you and the other is looking for. Okay, I got it. Okay.

Broudy:  Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. Exactly.

Claudio:  I got it. I got the left hand here like I got the 45. Yeah. Now what else? Yeah,

Broudy:  okay I'm

Claudio:  doing it, I'm doing this, I'm doing that and then okay can we move on like and you see them that are doing good

Broudy:  and they're really

Claudio:  happy and they're doing like in in a in a good mood and they're doing it and it's like, okay, what's the next step? And then is when you have to move on.

Broudy:  Yeah. The mistake for me is sometimes when they're getting better and I still treat them a little bit like they were before and I start saying the same thing a little bit and then they let you know, they say, hey, I know

Claudio:  that's when you have to move on. Okay. And, and, and, and that's when you are listening to them because sometimes we are in a trap that we are on and I need that this left hand goes out or catch the rag or or the left side has to create the new space to the right hand to go like whatever and you're going like this is your movie,

Broudy:  right, right, right.

Claudio:  Not the movie of this guy that are coming for the

Broudy:  Plus a lot of times when you work with these juniors like for 10 years like I've had so many kids I started with at five and 6

Claudio:  and you

Broudy:  Know, now I'm working with him at 17 years old, you know, they're changing. So you have to change too because

Claudio:  that's that's the point if you're doing this for so many years, the challenges, they, you know that there are changing. Are you changing with them?

Broudy:  Right? Right. Even their personality. I've had kids that start very outgoing and loud and fun and then as they get to be teenagers, they get quieter and a little more introverted, you've got to recognize that and not treat them the way you did.

Claudio:  That's when you have to start to dig a little bit more into their brains to understand, okay, talk to me like, you know, and you are changing too. If you if you cannot change that, it will broke soon will break soon. That you

Broudy:  know, you know, it reminds me of of certain episodes with kids uh where it's a good thing I did ask because I could tell they were cranky on the court or they were bad mood and then I find out later, you know, halfway through the lesson, I go, hey listen, what's going on? I had the worst day at school I've ever

Claudio:  had

Broudy:  or somebody on the team bullied me, someone on the tennis team bully, you know, did something terrible to me well,

Claudio:  but somebody that tells you that that that already you open up like they feel comfortable to you to say it

Broudy:  right? And

Claudio:  then that happened

Broudy:  and then I decided, well look, if he's having such a terrible day, I'm not gonna kick him when he's down, I'm gonna treat him a little differently this lesson.

Claudio:  Exactly, that's good.

Broudy:  Yeah, that does happen,

Claudio:  that's taking care of the person tennis player. They come after the person, you cannot separate that.

Broudy:  Yeah, I know. So

Claudio:  comes to you.

Broudy:  Yeah. So often when I was a younger pro it was just about teaching, I need to teach you and and the thing is everyone has a big life, you know, even if they're in a junior high or high school, you don't know what happens that day that could traumatize a

Claudio:  kid

Broudy:  and and me wanting to teach if they're not open that day, you know, all they need is they need a shoulder to cry on sometimes

Claudio:  what? But then I would I would I would change a little bit that okay, I don't I don't want to teach you, I wanted to learn. Mhm. And uh they pay me for teaching but I want that you learn

Broudy:  because

Claudio:  if I if I teach you it's it's already a differentiation between I'm the teacher, you're you're the student and now that you are. But I'm saying like ah you're trying to connect that learning process.

Broudy:  Yeah,

Claudio:  some days you can't and some days you cannot and that could be frustrating for you too when I say you me

Broudy:  like yeah

Claudio:  like teaching profession, but you know, you can do what you can do and then you can eat things like for some kids and and then you have to understand when you can put there foot on the gas and then when you have to take the foot off the gas a little bit out or where when you have to put the food on break.

Broudy:  Well I I think that's very well put and that's that's very wise I think that's a problem with the younger coaches. Sometimes you get a coach in his late twenties or early thirties who still likes to play a very aggressive a lot of testosterone and so is their teenage student and then they butt heads a little bit because they're not listening to each other and and I think it comes yeah it gets competitive almost

Claudio:  at the same time. Not so valued like the people, they don't value, they value through money, they don't value through uh huh meaning taking care person and you have a price for that and some sometimes the price is cheaper here there and they don't take care of other things that there are inside the price. Like in general when I'm talking like those are things that you take care on the court when they know you that's it. That that's when they become the recommendation and that's when they come the people start to talk like it's important to get like a uh known yes it's important to get known from people much more in my opinion.

Broudy:  What do you mean? It's

Claudio:  a very slow way? It's a very slow way. It's probably an old way not these days, no instagram facebook this that like that.

Broudy:  Right. Right. So people yeah they they're they're only virtual coaches and they just try to post post post. But yeah, no that's why I like talking to you because you know, and and some other guys and gals and gals I work with you guys are in the trenches, you know, you're done with the grassroots, you're you're in the game and not just talking about the game, you know, you're you're actually be dealing with 5, 10, 15 people every day.

Claudio:  Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yes. Yes. And that's that's completely true. Like what you say, like I have a date like My man there 10 hours on the court.

Broudy:  10 hours. Yeah, no, I've been there. I'm a little older than you so I don't do that quite yet.

Claudio:  But I'm saying like and the last person at eight I have the same smile that in the 8:00 AM whatever like I tried to do my best, I have my good days, bad days but that people are coming back.

Broudy:  Sure

Claudio:  that's that's that's a little bit what I I put it like and I say I'm happy doing well.

Broudy:  Yeah. And for what you do, I mean you're exceptional and it comes through and that's why people come back 17 years. That's why they come back.

Claudio:  Yeah. And I have like a bunch of those. Yes,

Broudy:  it's funny. I thought today we'd talk more about the tools and all the different tools we

Claudio:  Can talk we can talk about the tools because the tools they have me to keep people 17 years.

Broudy:  No, no, you're right. You're right. No, I think we say that when I was interested today more in the psychology, you as the tennis pro psychologist. And I

Claudio:  think

Broudy:  it will be very, maybe some of the older pros will go. Yeah, I know that. But I think for a lot of the younger pros, they can learn a lot from your experience

Claudio:  what I would put the tunes in and I tell you something when you are connected with the people, they allow you to do the cobra, the body, the brownie board, wrong all these thoughts they allow you to do once you are like, I have to understand the tools because I would teach with the tools. I need to understand those tools. I need to know what I'm teaching in that

Broudy:  real quickly before I let you go. I have to ask. I forgot, do you have a cobra? I forgot,

Claudio:  yeah, I have a cobra.

Broudy:  How do you like that? Because for me, that's my new favorite toy. I mean I think

Claudio:  I liked it. I like that. I

Broudy:  like, I

Claudio:  like a lot of that concept ah with kids very easy to use. Sometimes they go and play around

Broudy:  with

Claudio:  with adults. It's a little bit frustrated. It's a little bit frustrated. They, they, they, they, they understand the concept but uh, you know, to make a person that they cannot serve or they cannot hit well or they cannot focus to hit with that tool um yeah, a little bit like you can show things, but then again it's a little bit,

Broudy:  you know, I personally use it, I love it but I, when I use it with other people, I don't use it for the syrup much, I just use it for the groundies and the volleys. But I always put the red arrow on the court because if you tell them don't touch there, just stay behind the red arrow,

Claudio:  they

Broudy:  can use the cobra. I

Claudio:  agree, I agree that it's a little bit uh for all the tools I think that is the, the most difficult to manage. Okay. Ah the broader board exceptional. The ramp exceptional. And you can teach a lot like in the way the way and the rocker like you know with adults like good level of dolls they can do with the rocker. Not so often it's it's it's a,

Broudy:  you know the one I find the easiest to use with the most amount of people is the

Claudio:  ramp.

Broudy:  The ramp really is comfortable for people, they're not nervous and they feel the figure eight right, you know, and they feel the rising and the falling. I find the ramp maybe the best

Claudio:  products very good to understand body weight shifting, okay, balance,

Broudy:  flow,

Claudio:  yeah, flow, turning, coiling, understanding all that, that that those concepts that once you are on that you start to do it. I definitely, but again, you will not go with one of these tools first lessons like I will fix you like and I use the word fixed, like it's not you don't fix a person okay, but I have this tool and boom, I will be like uh you know tomorrow you're you have a new forehead, you know they're easy is I go the other way around, I know the person I introducing every lesson, every lesson, that's when I go every lesson, they have like a different perspective. We we review something from before and then I keep that motivation try the best that I can sometimes I'm not in the mood to because you know every day okay. But yes it's it's it's that that's the a little bit of philosophy like trying to keep people motivated.

Broudy:  Yeah no I I appreciate that and it's well said um well you know I hope I appreciate you taking your time out because I know you are a busy man over there and uh and new york moves quickly so I know things are happening on

Claudio:  new york

Broudy:  but I I appreciate it. I hope we can do this again because I I really learned a lot and I enjoy talking to you always even just on the phone when we're friends, I enjoy talking to

Claudio:  you but

Broudy:  I'd like to do, I'd like to do this again sometime maybe in a while we'll do it do it again and have some fun and pick a different topic we can talk about

Claudio:  any time. Jack. It's a first of all, it's a pleasure to talk to you. Okay. And uh, and, and enjoy enjoy. I feel like we are, we don't have like we have a friend talk here. Like, you know, like, uh, I like what you do. I took a lot of things from you. I think that you took a lot of things from me when you

Broudy:  came to

Claudio:  work and, and that's a little bit of respect. And I would like to go one day too. You're in California, right?

Broudy:  No, not anymore. I'm in colorado. So you, oh,

Claudio:  okay. You move completely to colorado.

Broudy:  Yes. So it's closer, I'm closer to you now.

Claudio:  Okay. Okay. That, that well, instead of serving, we're going to ski.

Broudy:  That's right. That's

Claudio:  right.

Broudy:  I don't know if I'm as good a skier as I am surfer, but I'll give it a shot.

Claudio:  Okay. Okay.

Broudy:  Hey, thank you very much, Claudio. You have a great day on the court today and I'll be talking to you soon.

Claudio:  Okay. Thank you so much.

Broudy:  Thank you so much.

Claudio:  Okay.

Broudy:  Mm

Claudio:  hmm.

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